Is Australian Emu Oil The Best Animal Fat?
Do you supplement with vitamin K2? Most people haven’t even heard of it. If you suffer from inflammation and gut-health imbalances, vitamin K2 may be the missing link between diet and your disease.
Vitamin K2 is found in animal foods and in some fermented foods (2). My preferred source is from Australian Emu Oil.
I have been taking Walkabout Australian Emu Oil as a supplement for years now and choose this food-based option over the synthetic supplements available. Finding the best vitamin K2 supplements comes with challenges like sourcing and processing methods.
In this interview with Dr. Will Schlinsog, founder of Walkabout Health Products, we talk about how Walkabout Australian Emu Oil stands out from other vitamin K supplements. You can read the transcript below:
Walkabout Health Products is a Wahls Protocol Sponsor and is a product I have used for several years now. Learn more at walkabouthealthproducts.com
*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food & Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Please consult with your care team before adding a new supplement to your health care routine.
Terry: Hello everyone, and welcome to another interview. Today, I’ve got Dr. Will Schlinsog, and I am so glad to have him. We’re going to be talking about emu oil and vitamin K.
Now, Will is in Marshfield, where I was for 13 years. Will, why don’t you tell us a little bit about your background up there in Wausau and about Walkabout health products.
Dr. Will Schlinsog: My background is that I graduated high school in 1980, went to UW-La Crosse for three years, and then matriculated on to Logan College of Chiropractic, now called Logan University. Right after I graduated, I went out and practiced in California for a few years.
I practiced for 13 years in California. Then I got married and had a couple of little kids, and we moved back to Wisconsin and I’ve been here ever since. We started this business in 2008. When I reactivated my chiropractic license, I met a girl from Australia and she gave us some insight on emu oil. Liz did all of the work. Liz did everything because I owned a trucking company at the time and I was a chiropractor. That’s the story. The guys that we are hooked up with have been in business for over 45 years now. They do emu oil differently than I guess the rest of the world, basically, because of the genetics and the breeding and the feeding that they do.
Terry: Well, before we get into that, Will, let’s talk first about vitamin K2, and then we can tie into why emu oil is such a great source of K2. But I do want to tell our listeners what’s magical about vitamin K2.
Dr. Will Schlinsog: Well, vitamin K2 is found in a lot of certain types of foods, but in emu oil, the guys that produce this did not know that it contained vitamin K2 and MK4. To be honest, Liz and I had never heard of… In 2008, we had never heard of vitamin K2 and MK4.
With that information, we got hooked up with Weston A. Price and Sally Fallon and that organization, and they had it tested and it came back extremely high, so they had it retested. When it came back, they had a different sample and it came up back a little higher. That began our journey on learning about vitamin K2 MK4, which is a fat-soluble vitamin.
It primarily shows up in grass-fed animals. There are some other sources. There are some bacteria sources as well. There are synthetics that I don’t talk about a lot when I speak publicly. I know the difference between getting our nutrition from food and getting it from an artificial or synthetic-derived derivative of, and so our vitamin K2…
Terry: Hang on. Let’s talk about …what does vitamin K2 do in the body?
Dr. Will Schlinsog: It’s highly anti-inflammatory, and vitamin K2, when I talk about vitamin K2 and I talk about our emu oil, they are separate entities. Just know that our oil has synergy and it’s a superfood, meaning it’s nutrient-dense and it has all the fat-soluble vitamins in it.
Vitamin K2 by itself activates the vitamin K-dependent proteins in the body, and that vitamin K-dependent proteins, depending on who you read, there’s 17 to 19 of them. When they activate these proteins, it allows the proteins to be activated in the body and be used, basically, and do certain processes.
I’ll look at my notes a little bit. When you activate a vitamin K-dependent protein, there are many of them, but it starts to do things like reducing mitochondrial dysfunction, promotes mitochondrial ATP production. It increases glutathione. It reduces oxidative stress. It’s necessary for myelin production, and that, again, is through the vitamin K-dependent proteins.
It’s neuroprotective, and it’s an immune system modulator. It regulates nuclear factor 2, which is the turning on and off of genes, genetic expression. It opens up antioxidant and detoxification pathways.
Our emu oil is special because it repairs and restores the gut. That was one of the first big studies that were done in Australia by the Australian government on our emu oil. That thing alone in particular is a big deal, because most diseases, as you and I know and our immune system, comes from the gut.
When you get people that you can help their gut in any way, shape, or form, they start to get more nutrition from the food that they’re, more absorption, more punch for their nutrient intake when their gut starts to work. I believe that in my practice about 90% of the people that I see have something, some type of dysfunction in their gut.
That’s why emu oil really when I first started using it, didn’t know what I had. I gave it to a plethora of people and said for them to try it. Every one of them had a different thing that is fixed in their body.
That perplexed me, but then once I discovered that they had [inaudible 00:05:40] studied that and found out what the hundreds of things that vitamin K dependent proteins do, that started to explain some of the results that we were getting. That’s a little complex, but simplifying it would take an hour.
Terry: Sure, sure. Now, what’s the difference between a synthetic vitamin K2 and emu oil. Can you walk us through that?
Dr. Will Schlinsog: The difference is when you take a rumen animal, four stomachs or something. A cow is an example, and it eats the grass, and it produces milk. That has vitamin K2 MK4 in it, and that is made by nature. It’s in synergy all of its own because it’s not going to be just vitamin K2 MK4, it’s going to be milk and it’s going to be the other fats. It’s going to be calcium and all the things that are in grass-fed animals’ milk.
We have done enough research to know that when you use a synthetic vitamin K, that it will oftentimes activate… It will oftentimes carboxylate, but it won’t activate vitamin K-dependent proteins, and that can cause problems with where calcium goes in the body and people…
Wayne Brehm is a guy that did a study with 540 women that were pregnant, divided them into six groups, and every time he used a synthetic D or a synthetic A and then now in today’s world, a synthetic vitamin K or whatever, it caused a problem with calcification, calcified placentas, calcified umbilical cords, fontanelles of the babies, the bones, the top were closed prematurely.
It was explained that calcium does not like to be messed with in a synthetic way, and we have to get our vitamin D from food. We got to get our, well, food and sunshine. We got to get our vitamin E from food. We got to get our vitamin A from food, and we got to get our little unknown vitamin, vitamin K2 MK4, from food.
It’s really important because we have people call us every day just about that are on a synthetic, vitamin MK7, let’s say, and they start to have a rash, or they start to have anxiety, or they start to have panic attacks, or they start to have some neurological changes in their brain that they said, “I’ve never had anger and anxiety my entire life.”
They stop taking it and it goes away, and that’s because it’s affecting the neurological processes and the movement of calcium in the brain. It can be harmful, to be honest, and it has a little toxic effect when calcium starts to go where it shouldn’t.
Terry: Can you comment on the effects that you’re seeing with the emu oil and MS and other autoimmune issues?
Dr. Will Schlinsog: Yeah. First started with, as you know, when you bring a new product to your conference, there’s a lot of explanation that has to go along and a lot of education. But what we really got almost initially the first and second years, we got anecdotal information where, an example, and I’ve told this story before, where there are four or five women at a table.
Liz or I will walk up to the table, say hi to them. and one lady will say, “I’ve been using your emu oil for a year.” We say great, and the other ladies hear her say that, and it’s probably the best advertising you can get, a testimonial with three other people or four other people that have not tried it. It’s happened more than once where they say, “I haven’t had any MS symptoms for this entire last year or whatever, and I love your product.”
What that does for me is then it gets those people interested that aren’t on it, and I can explain to them how important the vitamin K dependent proteins are, how neuroprotective it is, how it’s going to light up their brain, that list that I just went through, that it’s necessary for myelin production, and that oxidative stress is what we all fight.
I think you know that the people that you and I work with, all have gut issues, even you and I have gut issues. All we have to do is eat something that we normally don’t eat, or someone offers us that we can’t say no to, or we want to be polite or whatever. I have celiac disease, so I think, reluctantly, I fall into an auto-immune category. I haven’t really had the symptoms.
My son actually inherited that trait of mine. He knows that he has it. It usually shows up on our skin when we have something that has gluten and can make us react. But to be quite honest, when you have a digestive tract that’s not functioning completely or it has inflammation, anything can trigger it to give you a fog or anxiety or depression or whatever.
We don’t know it because we just take everything we put in our mouths for granted. I’ve gotten away from it, I don’t put anything in my mouth that I don’t know where it came from and what’s in it, basically. I’ve gotten as clean as I possibly can, and I did that because I had a traumatic brain injury about 11 years ago. It’s more important for me to what I eat than just about anything else.
Terry: Now, what is the typical dose that people might use for the emu oil?
Dr. Will Schlinsog: Well, there are two different forms of our oil. It comes in a liquid form, and a lot of people are migrating to that and liking it, because it’s a little bit more… Well, I think they feel better about it. I think it’s closer to food than probably they think the capsule is.
On the bottle, it says six capsules. I did muscle testing, and I made some assumptions and I did a bunch of research. Anytime somebody gets a bottle from, let’s say, GNC, a supplement big chain store, and it says, “Take two a day.” They’ll take one, a lot of people will. I said six on the side of that, and I didn’t know anything about anything at that time, other than putting capsules in people’s hands and muscle testing them.
I wanted them to get a minimum of three. Six is really for a person that has a pretty severe condition that they’re working on, a chronic condition, a long-standing condition, a genetic condition, an autoimmune condition, or whatever. I can get them to reduce down to three or four capsules.
As far as dosage goes, a teaspoon is four capsules. A liquid teaspoon is four capsules. I will often tell somebody if they’re really bad, do two teaspoons a day for a week, and then cut it back to a teaspoon and a half or whatever.
When do I take it? Morning, night, or it doesn’t matter. It’s food. It’s like eating. That’s like saying, when should I eat my sandwich? Should I eat it at 10 o’clock, noon or two o’clock type thing? It really doesn’t matter.
Terry: I know some of my folks like to put it on their skin as part of their skincare. Do you have any comments about that?
Dr. Will Schlinsog: Well, for wrinkles, a lack of vitamin K2 MK4 in the body will promote calcification of the elastic in the skin itself. Topically, again, you open a can of worms, is that we have done some research through the Aboriginals and some of the… They used to take terminally ill people and wrap them in a kangaroo skin or an emu skin, and then also add EMU oil into that, basically, and 100% of the time, they claim, that it brought people that were terminally ill back to life.
We’ve got people that sometimes have… I start out people that are, what would you call it, fearful of something that comes from a warm-blooded animal or fearful of oil or… I start people out that have arthritis, sorry, different types of arthritis. I actually can start out with people that have inflammation in their brain and apply it topically to certain areas of their body, where it actually goes in and is highly absorbed, and they start to get some change.
Then I encourage them that to take it out. Let’s say if you’ve got an arthritic knee, rubbing it on the knee, if they get results from that, they’ll come back and say, “I think I want to try it orally.” That’s a little bit of a hurdle sometimes. Usually not a big thing. It just depends where people are at.
What I have to do is I have to explain to people that have, I’ll give you an example. My good friend who works for me, his mom had a thyroid condition, and she was having trouble, actually. Her medication was going higher and higher, and she started to apply it to her thyroid. She had to get her medication adjusted down, because of the anti-inflammatory effects and the effectiveness of going into the body and fixing some things that were going on in that one particular area of her body.
We also know that it affects the [inaudible 00:14:17] vitamin K-dependent protein, which moves vitamin A and activates the thyroid and does stuff like that. [inaudible 00:14:24] are really important vitamin K dependent protein that gets activated by vitamin K2.
I am amazed at sometimes that it works topically, but it does. When that happens, then oral is not a problem for a 100% of those people, I would say. It’s transdermal, and there aren’t too many things that you can rub on your body that work like EMU oil does.
Terry: Yeah. For some of my folks who have neuropathies, I have them use the liquid emu oil on their legs or on restless legs. That can be very helpful for that as well.
One last question here, synergy, you talk a lot about the synergy of the emu oil. Do you want to expand on that a little bit more, Will
Dr. Will Schlinsog: Well, I was struggling with that a little bit earlier and I had… I wanted to make sure. Synergy’s interaction or cooperation of two or more substances to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects.
I’m going to take the American Emu Association as an example. They have birds that are different genetics, and we’ve tested some of their stuff, but they break up that synergy. They have a whole food and then they go and molecularly distill it, or they do alcohols, or they do filters, or they do clay filtration.
Sometimes they even use temperature to separate, and they tear the fat from the bird apart. They get a much cleaner, much better smelling, no chunks in it. It’s all smooth. It’s all a nice constant white color. Ours, if you, you know because you’ve been a user of it, it has we’ll have chunks in it occasionally if you let it…
I had had a guy the other day, an engineer, that came to me and he showed me a capsule and said, “My capsules don’t have any fat in them. They’re all clear.” I smiled at him and I said, “Well, if you take that capsule and put it in the refrigerator, it’ll turn all white. If you bring it out, it’ll turn all clear.” I said, “There are long chains and short chains in there.” He was interpreting that he had only oil and no fat, and he didn’t completely understand it.
When I’m talking about synergy is that this is a whole food that has a combination of fatty acids, and all the fat-soluble vitamins in it. It’s got enzymes, it’s got antioxidants, it’s got conjugated linoleic acid, some other unknown nutrients. It’s got phenols and things that we get from other fruits and vegetables and different things that actually can be in it.
When you start to take that to a certain temperature, you destroy a lot of that stuff. So our stuff, the way it’s rendered and how it’s produced, what they feed the animals and stuff and the genetics are really, really important. They had to go through stringent things in Australia to produce the oil the way they do because it had to be raised to a certain temperature for a certain amount of time. That’s really, really important because it makes it food.
It’s a fat of the… A duck has fat and a goose has fat. It’s the fat off a warm-blooded animal, a prehistoric animal, that if you do too much heat applied to it, it destroys it. That was the key to business, not only having good oil, but then knowing, and they got the information, how to do that, from an elder, from an Aboriginal tribe is where they got that information about how to take it from the animal to the rendering plant, to the capsule, without making it.
Fish oil, if you know, I test fish oil all day long in my practice. People bring me medium-chain triglycerides, and they bring me coconut oil and stuff. A lot of that stuff doesn’t test well, because it goes to such a harsh process in cleaning that you have destroyed what nature made, and our oil is different in that way.
Terry: Yes, yes. How long have you been running this company again, Will?
Dr. Will Schlinsog: We really got going in 2008, 2009. We struggled until we found out that it had vitamin K2 MK4, and we built all of my slide presentations and all of our educational information off of… I’m looking at the list, heart disease, osteoporosis, Alzheimer’s, wrinkles, varicose veins, diabetes, arthritis, brain and neurological health, cancer, kidney disease, fertility and pregnancy, prenatal development, dental health, all of those things fall under this vitamin K dependent protein activation umbrella.
The guys in Australia didn’t know any of the information that I just spilled out on you there, in a little bit of a rant, and it’s been around for thousands of years. The bird has the footprint of a T-rex. It’s survived a whole bunch of things to be here, and breeding a bird is no different than breeding a deer or our cow or a pig or a chicken.
It’s the genetics that really makes the difference, the vitality of the animal and its fat that it possesses, the cleanliness of their food, and makes sure that they aren’t eating things that they… An example is, I grew up on a dairy farm and you did too. When you take a cow and feed it genetically modified corn, and corn is like candy to a cow. You and I both know that.
There are 17 different candies that they are feeding to dairy cows and to beef cows. The cow lives two to three years. They used to live 12 to 15. That’s all driven by inflammation, and a cow that accommodates grain for seven to 10 days does not have any vitamin K2 MK4 in its fat. It goes away that quickly, in us as well.
If you are deficient in greens and good grass-fed meat, and you go for two to three weeks, you’re not going to have any vitamin K2 MK4, and there will be consequences. You and I know that some of the first symptoms that an MS patient has will be sight sometimes and stuff like that. Vitamin A is there in their body, but it’s not getting activated, and that’s what vitamin K2 MK4 does, is it activates all of those things that are lying there waiting to do their job.
Terry: What we have in common is that we are so focused on food, getting traditional food sources, so that’s part of what I really like about the emu oil and the Walkabout Emu Oil is that this was a traditional food.
Well, this has been really excellent, and again, I want to reassure everyone. I’ve been using emu oil for years now. I like it a great deal. I recommend it to my family. I recommend it to my patients as a great food-based approach towards improving your vitamin K2 status, improving how we utilize vitamin D, improving how we utilize calcium in our body, improving how our stem cells in our brain function, reducing inflammation, reducing oxidative stress. So emu oil, K2 MK-4, very powerful allies in our healing journey.
Now, if you’ve found it useful, this interview, please, in the comments below, tell us what is the one thing that you learned from this interview? What are you going to do? We would love to learn more from you, and well, thank you so much for joining me today.
For all of you, stay well, eat food, eat whole foods, including some emu oil. Now, much love to everyone. Bye-bye, now.
Dr. Will Schlinsog: Hey, our love to you too, Terry. Thank you.
About Dr. Will Schlinsog:
Dr. Will Schlinsog is a board-certified Doctor of Chiropractic in Wisconsin and California. He completed his Pre-Chiropractic education at the University of Wisconsin and went on to attain his Doctor of Chiropractic degree from Logan College of Chiropractic now known as Logan University in Chesterfield, MO. He has been in practice for thirty-two years and currently maintains a private practice in Marshfield, Wisconsin.
He has had additional training in disability evaluations, functional nutrition, applied kinesiology, and functional neurology. He serves as the CFO of Walkabout Health Products and as a consultant to all of Walkabout’s emu oil users. Dr. Will conducts educational and informational podcasts regarding the clinical studies and trials performed primarily in his private practice.
Dr. Will is starting a campaign to get his patients connected to local Organic Farmers. He can be found at walkabouthealthproducts.com. Dr. Will is married to Elizabeth and shares two grown children with her.